Normally I would be happy to provide sources that support my conclusions but since you have the recurring tendency of arbitrarily rejecting any data that disagrees with your opinions I will take a pass on your offer. In addition, your last reply changed the subject. This would indicate you had no answer to my central point on the centrality of the colonial Churches in the formation of early American intellectual and political thought and which formed the foundational principles for both the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution.
Hahahahha my friend, your tired old false narrative about sources was expected. I do appreciate the good laugh this morning. Of course, I reject your sources of the Daily Caller, Daily Mail and the Heritage Foundation. These are all publications rated either of far-right bias or conspiracy theory rags. Nice try though.
Actually, it was you that changed the subject. I merely asked you to clarify your unsupported point that makes "Madison a distinct outlier." Either you have sources for this, or you don't. The topic in the original article used Madison as the protagonist for progressive religious, cultural and political changes in our then fledgling nation. This is what we have been discussing throughout.
For clarification my good friends, my reference to rejecting sources is not a "tired old false narrative" but merely a comment based on your previously observed patterns of behavior when responding to persons who question your opinions. And for the record I am much more widely read than just these three "straw men" examples you cited.
As to your assessment of the Enlightenment's significance on the development of 18th century colonial American political thought and its influence on the Founders such as James Madison, you are correct in your conclusions in so far as you go. However the contributions of this disparate collection of dyspeptic Scots still pissed off about Culloden Field was only one intellectual stream coursing through the colonial consciousness. To gain a fuller and more complete understanding one must also include the role of the colonial Churches in shaping American intellectual thought in the decades leading up to 1776. A significant sub-set of this topic is the role of religious revival (usually described as The Great Awakening) and its impact on colonial culture. This latter phenomena is most often identified with the achievements of Jonathan Edwards and George Whitefield.
Given the centrality of the Church in all its variegated and diverse expressions in Colonial America (to the point that George Washington requested and the Continental Congress assented on 29 July 1775 to create a Chaplain Corps with one chaplain assigned to each Continental Army regiment and to pay their salary as a captain out of the public purse) it seems counter intuitive that these same Founders would then throw the Church out of the public square after independence was won from Great Britain. It is this well documented and attested evidence stretching across 167 years (1609 to 1776) that make me question your representation of James Madison as a flaming Jacobin.
Have a great weekend. We do need to do breakfast (I have my mobility back) sometime soon.
Normally I would be happy to provide sources that support my conclusions but since you have the recurring tendency of arbitrarily rejecting any data that disagrees with your opinions I will take a pass on your offer. In addition, your last reply changed the subject. This would indicate you had no answer to my central point on the centrality of the colonial Churches in the formation of early American intellectual and political thought and which formed the foundational principles for both the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution.
Hahahahha my friend, your tired old false narrative about sources was expected. I do appreciate the good laugh this morning. Of course, I reject your sources of the Daily Caller, Daily Mail and the Heritage Foundation. These are all publications rated either of far-right bias or conspiracy theory rags. Nice try though.
Actually, it was you that changed the subject. I merely asked you to clarify your unsupported point that makes "Madison a distinct outlier." Either you have sources for this, or you don't. The topic in the original article used Madison as the protagonist for progressive religious, cultural and political changes in our then fledgling nation. This is what we have been discussing throughout.
Wishing you and yours the best for the weekend
For clarification my good friends, my reference to rejecting sources is not a "tired old false narrative" but merely a comment based on your previously observed patterns of behavior when responding to persons who question your opinions. And for the record I am much more widely read than just these three "straw men" examples you cited.
As to your assessment of the Enlightenment's significance on the development of 18th century colonial American political thought and its influence on the Founders such as James Madison, you are correct in your conclusions in so far as you go. However the contributions of this disparate collection of dyspeptic Scots still pissed off about Culloden Field was only one intellectual stream coursing through the colonial consciousness. To gain a fuller and more complete understanding one must also include the role of the colonial Churches in shaping American intellectual thought in the decades leading up to 1776. A significant sub-set of this topic is the role of religious revival (usually described as The Great Awakening) and its impact on colonial culture. This latter phenomena is most often identified with the achievements of Jonathan Edwards and George Whitefield.
Given the centrality of the Church in all its variegated and diverse expressions in Colonial America (to the point that George Washington requested and the Continental Congress assented on 29 July 1775 to create a Chaplain Corps with one chaplain assigned to each Continental Army regiment and to pay their salary as a captain out of the public purse) it seems counter intuitive that these same Founders would then throw the Church out of the public square after independence was won from Great Britain. It is this well documented and attested evidence stretching across 167 years (1609 to 1776) that make me question your representation of James Madison as a flaming Jacobin.
Have a great weekend. We do need to do breakfast (I have my mobility back) sometime soon.